Scarlett is B.S!!!!!!

[Barry_Green]

Er, having been owner #364, and knowing who has #363, I think we can pretty much dispute the idea that #1000 was first off the assembly line.

Heck, go on RedUser, lots of folks have their serial number as part of their profile, you can see who has what number.

[ethan cooper]

Originally Posted by Zephyrnoid

I challenge anyone to NAME each and every entity that bought one or more REDs.
PayPal my arse! I'll openly wager $100 that no one can come up and prove all those RED owners. USPS MO ready and waiting.

Isn't this Jarred Land's forum? If anyone can take you up on your challenge, I'd say it's him.

Who cares if it's 6000+ or 5000+ cameras sold, either way they're doing ok. Also remember, these are world wide sales figures, not just US. I'd say 6000+ is possible.

[Barry_Green]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe Pugliese

I personally DONT want the scarlet to become the next big camera. Think about how much that will affect the market for the cameras we just spent tens of thousands of dollars in investment on.

Wow.

Just wow.

Was that post meant to be taken comedic/sarcastic (as the ending implies?) I certainly hope so. If not, I think you might have a big and unpleasant reality check coming your way.

It's an awful lot easier to curse the darkness than it is to just light a candle. Whatever becomes the next big thing, you buy that. Simple. If you can't afford to, you're in the wrong business model.

But if your only connection to getting clients is by owning a piece of equipment, instead of by your skills and reputation, then that's a dead-end game right there. The days of the BVW600 staying top-dog for 10 straight years (or whatever) are done and gone, that business model is O.V.E.R. Red's Red One has only been in wide release for about a year, and they've already said they're going to end-of-line it.

If your business model is based on the idea of going out and spending tens of thousands of dollars on a piece of equipment and then hanging out a shingle saying "I have a PMW-350, come rent it", I think you need to seriously consider selling now and getting out. Thousands of Red One owners made that same mistake and found out that it just doesn't work. It used to, years ago, but it doesn't anymore. And nowadays if you can't break even on a camera purchase within a few months, you're doing something wrong. And you need to break even, because the next "big thing" will be out within a year.

[CB_Radio]

Originally Posted by mcgeedigital

You don't know that they HAVEN'T.

See how that works?

Yeah, but that's not how it works. If Red makes claims that they've done something, they should be able to prove that they have. It's not up to me, or even possible for me, to prove that they haven't.

I drank a glass of water today from a red cup, can you prove that I haven't? No
Could I prove that I have? Absolutely

Do YOU see how that works?


The beauty of Red's willingness to play fast and loose with their adjectives, their ability to control the message and their disclaimer that anything they claim may end up being untrue is that they can and do say anything they want. But I don't even know if Jim Jannard has ever claimed that they sold 6800 Red One cameras. It would be easy to simply skip every third or 4th number, only sell 2000 cameras and let the reduser fan club believe what they already want to believe.

Red users want to believe that they are part of a world changing revolution even though it's not true. They want to believe that they have purchased something that is more valuable than anything else on the planet even though it's not true. They want to believe that Red was the FIRST to do digital cinema even though that's not true. They want to believe all kinds of things and there's a frightening level of selfdeception that goes on with their most fervant supporters. Do they want to believe that Red has sold 7000 cameras? Sure they do. Would it be surprising if that number was heavily inflated? Not at all.

[Barry_Green]

And so the point of engaging in this speculation, which I think both sides find to be largely un-provable, is -- what?

To smear Red? No thanks, take that somewhere else.

To call them liars? No thanks, take that somewhere else.

Red could of course prove that they've sold whatever they've sold. They could release the names and addresses of all their buyers. Will they do that? Of course not. Should they? Of course not. Such a violation of privacy is outlandish to even speculate on.

So -- again, what's the point?

If you like Red and you want to talk about it and be excited about it, go right ahead. If you don't, why not just stop tuning in? Let folks talk about whatever they want to.

If they make factual errors in their statements, you can try correcting them and demonstrating what the truth is -- but so far it seems that all that really accomplishes is that you become vilified and hated for having done so. Sometimes people really, really don't want the facts to get in the way of what they believe.

So it all comes down to this:
Are they hurting you? No? Then why not live and let live?

[Jason Ramsey]

RED probably started with #1000 as the maiden voyager off the assembly line.

Ok. firstly, 100 bucks would entirely not be worth the amount of work it would take to build some comprehensive list like that.

I'll give you 100 bucks if you can tell me the names of every 7d owner out there.... Did they release hundreds of camera's in their first batch or thousands that sold out so quickly? Probably some stores never even got any, it was just marketing hype to make it seem like it was wayyy more popular than it really was..... Sounds pretty silly doesn't it? b/c it is. </sarcasm>

2ndly... we're really not going to waste this forums bandwidth on silly suggestions like 1,000 was the first red off the block, are we? No... we're not... this is just kinda silly, and some of what people are saying is obviously based off of a complete lack of real info it becomes laughable. Yet, it should have to be proven down to every last serial number who bought what camera? lol.

It doesn't even matter.

You do realize that the first batch of camera's were picked up in person at RED offices, don't you?

And, Barry bought 300 and something. Off Hollywood had 6-7, Gibby has 8. and the owner of this very forum has #10...

And, I would gurantee you that finding a good chunk of the first 500-1000 RED One owners would not be that hard, if you wanted to search through alll the 25+K member profiles on reduser for their red#'s. A good many of the folks, you would also find are members of DVXuser... considering REDuser began it's days as a section on DVXuser before branching into it's own.

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anyways... give the RED has only sold 100, or RED started with 1,000 stuff a rest please folks

[CB_Radio]

Originally Posted by Barry_Green

And so the point of engaging in this speculation, which I think both sides find to be largely un-provable, is -- what?

The point of my original post in this thread was because McGee didn't understand the post that he had replied to. I clarified it for him and I think he now understands.

I posted again in this thread because McGee implied that there was no difference between proving something you have done and proving that somebody else hasn't done something. Hopefully he now understands that there is a difference. If he doesn't and he makes more posts about things I've said, then I'll probably reply again.

I won't speak for others, but that's my only point. Thanks Barry

[SPZ]

there are thousands of Reds worldwide. Over here (china) should be more than 100 to 200, and in Asia alone we should be talking 1000+. Now imagine other continents and add to the US install base. It should get close to the 6000 mark.

There has to be thousands of Reds out there because if you buy one don't you need to buy a back-up for every time it falls over on location, No?....LOL

[jason.adams]

Whatever becomes the next big thing, you buy that. Simple. If you can't afford to, you're in the wrong business model.

The force is strong with Barry. Wise words.

And to the OP.

Regardless of your opinion on Red or any other company. Coming into a forum with a title like "x company is B.S" is an invitation for a flame war.

Why not just walk into the back of a church and yell. "Jesus looks like Kenny Loggins and is stupid."

Your entitled to your opinion and this is an interesting discussing. Minus all the heated feelings you have. I think its possible to raise the question how many Reds are out there without seeming like a raving crazy person. With all due respect my friend do you really have nothing better to concern yourself with?